What is the Ideal Diet for Health and Longevity in 2018?
What is the Ideal Diet for Health and Longevity in 2018
I lost a hundred pounds I turned my brain back on I’m younger and more energetic on every level I can, and it turns out there’s enormous amounts of data that everyone can use. I started to have really serious brain fog so many careers taking off and I just found I couldn’t really pay attention my emotions were all over the place and I decided well I could work out six days a week in fact I can cut my calories 1,800 calories I can go vegan before it was cool and all I got was fatter and more tired after 18 months of working out.
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Today’s a very exciting day it marks the launch of our toxic Google friendly debate series where we bring together people who take different positions on key issues with the hopes that through their dialogue were but were able to better understand questions whose answers are less clear-cut so today the question we’ll be exploring is what is the ideal diet and so I’d like to begin by introducing our moderator Google’s very own Jesse Michaels is a program manager on machine intelligence with a particular affinity towards dietary habits please join me in welcoming to the stage Jesse Michaels thank you Dave I really appreciate it yes I do have a particular affinity towards dietary habits mainly a light Kip actually I’m a hypochondriac so I’m always kind of thinking about what is the ideal diet and I think like a lot of you you read articles you read press you look at what’s out there and there are a lot of experts saying completely conflicting things there’s no kind of apparent consensus on this issue and so what I’m hoping to get out of this is kind of a rationale elucidation and dissection of what is the ideal diet from people who have different viewpoints but hopefully we can find some common ground and we can give you some resources to kind of look this up for yourself as well so I want to introduce my panelists so Dave Asprey he’s a businessman an author a blogger he’s a biohacker he’s tried everything on himself he’s a human guinea pig he recently wrote headstrong which is all about kind of mental clarity and peak performance and what you know diet is conducive to that and then famously it’s kind of foundational work is the bulletproof diet which involves allocating 50% of your diet to healthy fat after him we have we have Kip Kip just came out with a bombshell of a documentary on a Netflix Kip Anderson by the way and it basically has caused a lot of people around the world to go vegan and it talks about all the dangers of eating meats processed meats and dairy and it exposes a lot and I think it’s a really good documentary and you guys should definitely check it out before that he actually had a documentary called Cal spirity which talks about the environmental dangers of eating meat so I think that work kind of speaks for itself and you guys should definitely watch it if you haven’t and then we have Dr. Joel Cahn last but not least guys should go on dr. Joel con-com that really kind of you know is the best kind of resource for him in terms of his work he’ll give you weekly health tips so maybe you watch Kip’s documentary and you want to go vegan Dr. Joel Kahn’s a great kind of practical way to go vegan it gives you a lot of really helpful tips he’s been vegan 25 years for 25 years himself he is a cardiologist and he focuses on kind of preventative care importantly and then finally as an actually an Amazon best-selling book called the whole heart that you guys should definitely check out so without further ado I kind of want to get into just individually your backgrounds and the kind of trajectory of your thought so how you came to believe what you currently believe is the ideal diet through your own personal experiences we can start with you Dave I’ve been a Silicon Valley guy for most of my career I used to weigh 300 pounds and I couldn’t really see my feet much less touch them as my career was taking off I was a co-founder of a part of the company that held Google’s first server when it was two guys from Stanford and one server before Google built its own data centers and I started to have really serious brain fog so many careers taking off and I just found I couldn’t really pay attention my emotions were all over the place and I decided well I could work out six days a week in fact I can cut my calories 1,800 calories I can go vegan before it was cool and all I got was fatter and more tired after 18 months of working out I could benchpress all of my friends and they didn’t work out and they were all thinner than I was and they ate less than they did and at a certain point I’m like a can trying but maybe I’m not trying hard enough and I thought it was a moral failing and eventual I said you know what I am I’m a hacker in fact I can take the stuff we use to manage the internet and I can turn it back on myself and I can look at things we know understanding if there’s a lot of things we don’t know when we work on infrastructure you only know the stuff you control but you’re going out across all the stuff that other people control yet somehow you can still make the results you want we still don’t know a huge amount about our own biology but it’s very easy for us to say alright here’s a bunch of data points rather than epidemiological studies saying if some people eat this and not controlling for millions of variables that might matter and sort of make a conclusion there I could actually go out and say what am i testing right now is there a plausible reason for this and do I see and feel results that I can measure and I lost a hundred pounds I turned my brain back on I’m younger and more energetic on every level I can and it turns out there’s enormous amounts of data that everyone listening to this can go out and Google for and you can find oh wait there are Studies on PubMed that say the exact opposite of what things like the American Heart Association and their recent attack on coconut oil things like that they wait you stop looking at all data after 1974 in order to make those conclusions well what about the new data so it’s becoming increasingly hard to fool people but increasingly easy to just simplify things when I look at my favorite animal protein product it’s a spider venom wait that’s an animal protein it’s clearly bad for you and my favorite plant-based protein is rice and the nerve gas so anytime someone tells you plant-based or animal base those are meaningless terms it’s like a liquid diet was it gasoline or was at water because they do different things to your biology and how is it prepared all these things matter and I ended up with this basic algorithm that works and the algorithm goes like this stop doing the things that make you weak you probably don’t know all of them but at least find some of them then do the things that make you strong and most nutritional research focuses on just doing stuff that makes you strong or these very broad platitude based things that are so broad that they caused you to do things that make you weak even if there is value in them so it’s a question of having precision for you and prime examples would be if you eat processed meats they do one thing to you because of a bacteria in your gut if you eat unprocessed meats that are fed a different thing it’s actually a different outcome even has in different environmental costs so you look at the system of the human body you look at all the things that are going in that you can measure you realize you’re not measuring almost everything that’s going on in the world around you that affects your biology and then you start course-correcting and for me it led to profound improvements in cognitive function as well as sort of effortlessly maintaining the weight that I wanted without ever experiencing hunger and cravings and I quit being a raw vegan in fact it made me really sick and a lot of people have had problems with that and there are other people like like Joel here who have been vegan for 25 years and are still walking around so I will say one thing that I learned through the course of all this if you’re not covering your plate with vegetables first you’re doing it wrong however not all vegetables do the same things to you either so you might want to pay some attention there so you just have to get the details for what works for you because your ultimate diet may not be the same as mine but I guarantee you if you do less of the stuff that makes you weak with your genetics your biome your mitochondrial DNA you’re gonna like it and there’s a list of things that make large swathes of the population weak so you just have to figure out what your own personal kryptonite is avoid that and then play around with other things like macronutrients Joshua Kip I’m sure you have a lot to say to that well keep it a little shorter than that but so basically it’s really started out similar I think our backgrounds are Siller similar is really truth seekers really trying to find out what the truth is what the truth is and I was a hypochondriac I was a hardcore or Harper contract I took you know at 18 years old Metamucil every day for fiber and I did my both sides were of diabetes and all these things so I was really hardcore into genetics like oh my god I’m gonna die and then I guess there’s a part where we differ where you know what my decision was when I just try to do – I’m my own experiment experiments on myself is I want to take other things in consideration not just myself a lot of people think of health as just me me me and I was getting the point where I was starting to do a little bit of yoga still starting to see see the bigger picture of that now that were seven if anyone’s seen the film Cal spirits egos in a little this a little bit more we’re seven billion humans on this planet when I think of holistic health I don’t think of holistic health is my own body my own you know this physical being not only do I think of health is mind body but I started to started to thinking more of spiritual health spirit health mind body spirit and then taking health into consideration of the entire planet and then taking health in also consideration my personal moral compass and then that’s when I said rather than I guess you’d say biohacking you know I guess I would call it bio harmonizing like my whole thing is about harmonizing myself when there’s a greater picture of this planet especially
at the time we live in you know rather than bulletproof coffee our bulletproof diet you know we have enough bullets around it sounds like a Trump thing I’d say I’ve more of something like a harmony diet work to incorporate myself within the bigger picture so that’s why I started experimenting different things looking in the viral impacts as you see the cowspiracy interviewing different doctors by no means is a cherry picking of the if anyone says that what the health if anything it’s finding gold flakes of this murky industry-funded river and finding out the truth and then the other thing I say is choose really there’s one thing about learning the truth the feeling the truth and that’s where you go to a place like True North health center and you see those forced case studies that people think are fake and what the health where there they’ve first their illnesses where they thought they were gonna die within a weeks or months in three weeks they’re off all their medications and that is truth and that’s not I think it’s one other thing to know that’s kind of going then another question but we’re at a time in history we’re gonna people are looking at this time this time and there is only essentially you look at different periods of times different movements whatever you call it civil rights women’s rights you know more recently gay rights and trans transgender rights they’re all still going they’re all still happening we’ve not resolved any of these and the next one is animal rights and it next one is about encompassing all of that we are all equal and that’s where the mind-body-spirit comes in and not only spiritual health but spiritual health for the entire planet and I think that’s the thing that people get lost in what the health is when you we go to North Carolina regardless of four or five facts that we could debate all day whether it’s right or wrong because you can manipulate nutritional studies but go to North Carolina and see you know I love bacon or I love meat do you really do you really and do I knew where I meet I know where my me comes from so it’s okay you know where your animals killed what slaughterhouse was that and you what do you really kill your own animal so that’s a part too that you have to look into a consideration of complete total health and I think that’s where my journey leads to cowspiracy that goes into what the health is health is much bigger than just me I and you know that’s all that matters it’s more about harmonizing yourself with something that’s much greater than us especially with 7 billion people doctor so my journey to sit in the chair today is began when I was actually 18 and Jesse it’s cool but actually I walked into the dormitory cafeteria University of Michigan 1977 I became a plant eater because the salad bar attracted me nothing else did so I’ve not had a burger in 40 years I’m 58 and a half years old never taking a prescription drug weight stable and I actually have more energy and all my peers and they know that and it irritates them because they like their burger and fries still but you know as I entered medical training and I don’t want to talk anymore about me it doesn’t really matter I mean I have we’re all truth seekers but I do it in a medical office where I feel completely obligated to give people direction to maintain their health prevent disease or reverse a disease they have I think it’s a very high moral obligation and it’s caused me to be a Eston student if there was data that I found that said a patient with heart disease eating meat would improve their health I would recommend that and routinely prescribe it because my moral obligation it doesn’t matter what I eat in my own home matters what’s gonna be right for you so I’ve had to seek that out and try and synthesize and guide people there’s you know some really important people in this town that have dropped dead of the disease I take care of I’d been up at 3:00 in the morning taking care of heart attacks for 30 years now but I mean a good friend of mine Dean deploy who was a big project manager at Apple 2013 playing hockey dropped out of a 90% blocked artery unknown Kirk Kerkorian some you may know that name maybe not big-time Silicon Valley investor in such water surfing last year walking to his cart drops dead of a heart attack you guys may not know this the former CEO of Intel Paul Otellini four weeks ago dropped dead at age 66 I mean these are tragic things that’s what I’ve been dealing with so I mean the focus is health promotion I do believe there’s a uniform diet we could agree with the three of us sitting up here there is a group called true health initiative which is over 400 health and nutrition experts all over the world very different opinions who’ve agreed to come up with a core kind of nutritional philosophy no matter where they are and what they personally at home and I’ll leave it to Jessie they may ask a few more questions and I’ll share that with it but this is a relevant conversation for you in your 20s because we know from studies I’m not here to really fight with anybody Dave kind of threw out something called PubMed which is a national library medicine 26 million peer-reviewed medical articles I live in PubMed because if we don’t base our recommendations on science recognizing the flaws funding conflicts that there’s more associations and actual randomized trials nutrition trials are tough let’s get a million people to eat one may and a million people to eat the other do that for 20 years and solve these things it ain’t happening so we we got to go with you know eating too much X’s associated with Y or we have nothing to stand on but I think there is I think there is a commonality and in fact none of us here eat crap none of us here pull into fast food restaurants none of us here add sugar in our food on this you know none of us your barbecue things to a crisp and eat all the toxic components that come out of barbecuing called advanced glycation end-products heterocyclic amines and such there’s a lot in common here and I think that’s important as you walk out of here you know don’t go on your way home pick up a bucket of KFC even if it has a Susan G Komen you know breast cancer prevention symbol on it and don’t go buy fruit loops if it has the American Heart Association symbol for Whole Grains eat whole grains in my world just don’t do it you know in a way that’s perverse Jarriel cool I want to kind of establish where the commonalities are and then where the kind of sticking points are so I think everybody on this panel is pretty against like processed meat for example it is is the kind of you know you’re a proponent of grass-fed you guys are grass you like grass exactly you’re full vegan correct and so is that really like I want to establish a framework for what we actually disagree one is that it or do you guys disagree on more than that I actually calculated the deaths per calorie of the bulletproof diet I was in Tibet where I discovered yak butter tea that was the genesis for bulletproof coffee and I was vegetarian at the time and I said hey mr. Lama you know the guy who leads the monastery at 15,000 feet and I said that’s not a yak skin on your pear Pole and your sign over there says no killing no lying no drugs so you’re a hypocrite and he started laughing he goes well one death feeds everyone and we talked about it for about an hour and I live on an organic farm we raise our own sheep I’ve been to the slaughterhouse I haven’t had a grain fed animal in ten years and if you’re eating grain fed meat right now you’re doing it wrong you’re harming the planet you’re harming yourself bottom line is when you feed that stuff to a cow especially if it’s not even organic and you’re getting glyphosate in there you’re getting antibiotic residues that cause your gut bacteria to change which makes them create toxic compounds so I think for me soil integrity and ocean integrity is at the root of the recommendations that I make because you will not be a high-performance human if you live in world full of crap around you that’s a result of the diet you make and there are that that’s an area where I think all of us agree it’s not just about us it’s about how we feel and I also think that all of us are in alignment on the fact that we want to feel a lot of energy because if you make it about everything around you and you feel like crap all the time and you’re struggling and your brain doesn’t work very well you’re wasting all of the calories you put into your body because you’re not getting a return on those and that’s something that happened to me in a lot of my life and like I will not allow that to happen to anyone that I help today yep yeah just one thing on the grass-fed beef the if any was watch cowspiracy we don’t even talk about factory for the factory farm beef we go straight into ok everybody knows that’s bad for grass-fed beef as according to land use these are things that are not debatable land use of sheep a land use for a grass-fed cow takes five to ten times as much land so the part that’s debatable greenhouse gases that’s debatable what’s not debatable as land use we have a part in cowspiracy showed if everyone had you know two scoops of a butter fat in there and a grass-fed beef of how much land use it would cover just America would go north of Canada this is every square inch this would be leveled all the way down to Brazil and that is not one other single animal can live where there’s where there’s pasture raised grass-fed beef that’s where all the wolves are killed all the Bears are killed all the coyotes and why there’s more horses roundup living and holding cells then are free and that is not factory farm that is grass-fed the reason why is a land use land use and they live us 35 percent longer so they’re using more resources so the whole grass-fed thing is just a marketing
term you know about regenerating soil that’s already been you know exposed of what that is the only 15 percent come out when you have an animal you eat whatever you eat an animal only about 15 percent 20 percent comes back in the land so you’re regenerating hardly anything that’s extremely inefficient and I think yeah just the other thing that we disagree I guess would it’s a very important note if you’re you mentioning like when you did this bio hacking and lot losing weight it’s very important that’s the tool too and you say this openly that you are on steroids and testosterone and legal as you call it sip meth but safer for eight years and I think that’s very important that is false that’s what we can be okay well those it was met off and all are some sort of some sort of speed if I am jacked up on okay okay something something that’s for narcoleptic said oh no narcoleptics narcolepsy is it’s someone who takes that for steroids and I think it’s just a very important note that that’s not left out because you know that’s a very important this equation so we can do this without any jacked up on juice the deal it’s going on this stuff for three years while developing the bulletproof diet the fact that I use cognitive enhancers kicks ass and the fact that you’re not doing them might be why there’s cigars on hot dog bones in your movie I’m actually a militant vegan blogger looks might be easily labeled that but I’m in a very loving and harmonious mood today I’m just excited to be at Google and all your people out there I will just say one and only one thing they may not have seen it may have seen it October 2nd 2000 1727 page publication by Oxford University and the impact aggressive at beef on the environment it’s as deleterious to greenhouse gas production as is kaif obese based grain fed beef according to science and I’m always going to science I don’t really want opinion I want science I I trust doctors University I want to bring this together though I mentioned something called the true Health Initiative it’s not a paid position it’s over 400 scientists and physicians and dietitians that have come up and I want to give you that core definition that we use because I want you to walk out of here with something you can do so number one eat minimally processed foods I think all three of us will say that’s right that’s not the middle of the grocery store that’s not vending machines usually that’s not fast food that’s not gas station food email any press eat close to nature if you can find farmers markets if you can find you know produce frozen vegetables are often better than you know stuff that’s been transported 2,000 miles from California to my home in Detroit eat close to nature number three eyes Ypres Domini a plant-based diet those aren’t my words it doesn’t say exclusively eating a you know the plate needs to be full the you CIE says that half your plate should be fruits and vegetables the Harvard School of Public Health says half your plates are fruits and vegetables how many people do that in America less than three percent so you brought me plants and your water should be product liquid should be predominantly water not sugar sweetened beverages not all kinds of you know energized drinks or putting chemicals in you and particularly refined sugars you don’t need we have to be very careful with the language suit because there’s all kinds of carbs there’s all kinds of sugars are they added in an orange or they you know are they natural in an orange or they added in a soda so that’s and you add to that 7 to 8 hours of sleep at night you add regular physical activity yeah a community yet socialization and social support you prevent disease and your promote health whether you’re in Okinawa whether you’re in Sardinia whether you’re in Costa Rica whether you’re in Loma Linda whether you’re here in Mountain View I mean it isn’t that hard so if you like that you know 3 or 4 close to nature minimally processed predominately plants and you want to put some other stuff on it you’re probably on the right track because you’re doing better than you know three-quarters and 80% of people that don’t have their own animals in the yard and don’t have access you know to the kind of food we’re talking about we’re all sort of elitist theaters either because of spiritual because of environmental in my case predominately because of medical I think you have to be and one of the questions is Jessie prepares for where does moderation I am NOT I don’t think any of us have moderate eaters on the panel I’m a I’m a exquisitely careful eater and I’ve done that for 40 years and I teach my patients be moderate in your exercise be fanatic about the care you put in your body hi Dave would agree with that he’s fanatic about what he puts in his body in a different sense but there’s a lot in common air that would bring up the health of America dr. Cohn I want to press you on one thing just the grass-fed beef both you and Kip spoke to kind of just negative environmental repercussions do you think it’s not healthy as well and why just a quick answer because I do want to be you know fair to time it’s an elitist question in that 95 plus percent of the meat eaten in America is not grass-fed beef it’s still what’s called CAFO factory farm beef we all agree that is the worst of scenarios to Cruelty to Animals cruelty to workers disease workers environmental destruction and the cool thing is with all these ag-gag laws now drones are flying over these places and making movies they couldn’t be made before of these pools of crap from animals that are exploding and going into the waters in the ground why do we have arsenic and rice and chicken because you know there’s just been exposures of all these toxins in the environment it’s horrible so we all agree shut those down and that’s not gonna happen quick that’s Tyson that Smithfield these are some cotton Agri these are the biggest most powerful companies with lobbies but you should be concerned that 95 plus percent of the mean America is toxic dave agreed in a blog you wrote that meat is like smoking if we’re talking about processed meat and we all agree to that I mean it’s horrible but it’s what you’re gonna eat unless you’re exquisitely careful about what you put in your body and this is a good age to do it at because you’ll reap the benefits science is progressing you guys can all live over 100 if you take good care of them now you really kind of wear a seatbelt well you know there’s there’s little clues there is again I like science there’s clues the grass-fed beef versus conventional beef has some health benefits over the caifa raised beef the factory farmed beef in terms of omega-3 and some nutrients there’s no beef on the planet that has fiber there’s no beef on the planet that has much in the way of rich vitamins we know those are plant-based but we all agree your plate should be either completely or to a large extent covered with plants that’s already elitist compared to the 1 to 3% of Americans that actually eat 5 servings of fruit and vegetables a day we want you to do that I mean ever you know there’s this coolest study out there you take a hospital hamburger literally and I love it because I think hospital food is the biggest damn embarrassment in the United States right now you take a hospital hamburger and you eat it and you can measure within 45 minutes that your arteries are functioning less well than before the hospital hamburger you throw a big slab of avocado or a big salad along with the hamburger you bring yourself back up to neutral so whatever you’re eating always add the plants to the meal and again there’s commonality of opinion here grass-fed beef you know again I you know 90 percent plus John Mackey’s folk cares founder of Whole Foods his kind of philosophy is you know eat plants 90 percent and the last 10% is you’re too you know I there’s certain patients I don’t think that’s true for as a medical doctor but as a societal recommendation that’s cool by me okay assuming diets aren’t one-size-fits-all how do you go about kind of figuring out what the best ideal diet is for you one of the things I did on the bulletproof diet roadmap which is a it’s a free download on the website and it’s basically my first big book in an infographic is to say look there’s a bunch of suspect foods and one of the examples here is the nightshade family these are potatoes tomatoes eggplant bell peppers things like that roughly 1/3 of cases of rheumatoid arthritis are caused by eating this and what happens is that animals don’t want you to eat their babies that’s why we’re so protective of our young well plants really can’t do those same things so they cover their babies in protective compounds that’s why if you go into the park and you eat most of the plants there you’ll get profoundly sick because they’re protecting themselves from you so some of us have genetic reasons that we will not handle those well you give me something that’s cooked with a little sprinkling of cayenne pepper I’ll have the Arthritis back in my knee that I’ve had since I was 14 it’s caused by food that said cayenne is really a healthy compound for the other two-thirds of people so I go through these four big categories of plant defense systems that are put in by mother nature not by man and say these may not be compatible with your biology but they might be compatible with biology of someone next to you so you just need to eliminate all of those likely suspects for a couple weeks and see how you feel and then go out and have like pizza beer cheese cake you know whatever bad stuff you can think of and just feel like oh my god that’s how I used to feel all that stuff came back and then go through the process of elimination it is not the same for everyone you guys would probably say a lot of the food so it’s not one diet fits all and
I don’t know that we know that I don’t know that we couldn’t put everybody on a single diet and their health would blossom you know what I would choose it would be a well-constructed rainbow diet of minimally processed plant-based foods it works real well for disease processes to eat that way according to medical science and certainly my field cardiology but there is such a thing as if you don’t feel well if you’ve got brain fog if you’ve got bloating if you’ve got joint pain do an elimination diet that we Dave and I share a friend JJ virgin I wrote a rather good book called the Virgin diet so you eliminate dairies yeah I feel for six to eight weeks very common not just the bloating the gas my wife was that example I hope she doesn’t mind my saying but when we walked into that dorm cafeteria 40 years ago and she stopped eating dairy in a week she felt better than she thought it was just Jewish food made you feel turns out it was dairy in the Jewish food made her feel bad you know she’s enjoyed that so do that try gluten free I don’t think America needs a gluten free 100% of people but there are people with celiac disease on diagnosis people see like sensitivity do that for 6-8 it might even take 3 months to see how better you feel now I will argue with you if you don’t need to be gluten free the sign says particularly you’re buying processed rice based bread substitutes which are common everywhere you may not be doing your health a favor so elimination diet is a way to do it there are a lot of people will do a 21-day Daniel fast maybe you’ve heard of that in churches which is based on the book of Daniel it’s kind of a plant-based religious thing but the medical documentation from the University of Tennessee in Memphis is blood sugar c-reactive protein blood pressure blood cluster will go down in three weeks by doing kind of that kind of elimination and then go back and add foods in one at a time very logical way to see what’s bugging you that’s that’s that because we asked every single doctor in our film you know you hear oh I’ve been vegan for two weeks or three weeks or whatever it is or you know people say and I don’t feel good what is going what’s going on you know the bottom line they all kind of said is that get tested for what’s going on as I think dr. Goldhammer is that there’s nothing in dead rotting animal flesh whether it’s you just killed or not and right an animal flesh that you cannot get somewhere else and you so find out if you’re not feeling well you’re not having the right diet there’s maybe something that you can tweak yourself your diet to but you can substitute everything with plant-based foods if you left cheese like I do as a hardcore cheese holic when I got off cheese when I went vegan for the first three weeks I felt the best I’ve ever had in my life to this day but now finally I’ve been vegan ten years just in the past year and a half to two years now I have not cheese’s again because they’re actually good so if that’s the main thing as a takeaway if you have something to tweak to your diet you know it’s keto or whatever it even is fat or not fat you can have a plant-based version and it’s incredible and it’s good for you not only good for mentally physically spiritually it’s good for the planet and you don’t have to kill any animals bonus all around I just want the hottest day right now in Silicon Valley according to the newspaper almost every day is the keto diet ketogenic diet you know low carb relatively high fat and brain power and the rest and I’m not man that mimic can get in fact there’s a new startup this week you can now buy ketone bodies in a bottle three bottles for a hundred dollars to enhance your athletic performance there are plant-based keto diets there’s a Facebook user page in the last few months has grown to enormous numbers plant-based ktj diet but more important science rules to me Valter Longo PhD is the world’s leading expert on aging and longevity he’s a head of a bio gerontology Research Institute in Los Angeles at USC he’s got a plant-based ketogenic 5 day a month diet I use in all my patients it’s amazing and transformative to eat nuts olives 60 % of calories from fat very low protein because protein activates aging pathways no added sugar because everybody hates sugar nobody loves sugar we can debate what sugar does to your health status but we don’t like it and the results that have been published in animals and humans with a plant-based 5-day ketogenic diet are actually transformative in terms of multiple sclerosis brain growth and BDNF a protein in your brain but just getting a flat belly again so there are all these different paths I just wanted to shout out that even in Silicon Valley you can be you know on the cutting edge of what seems to be a trend but also do it in a way that might be a little more helpful in my opinion Dave if you can get all of your protein from plants and you can do a plant-based ketogenic diet why are you big fan of grass-fed beef and other meats there are these things called cell membranes in the body we like to think that we have this membrane around ourselves but it’s actually made of tiny droplets of fat and all of our hormones are made out of cholesterol and very interesting new research just came out that shows that the plaque in your arteries doesn’t come from the food that you eat it actually comes from bacteria it’s maybe in the gut yeah well it’s that whole I like science thing I don’t know it’s one study though this is that whole epidemiology versus understanding the core mechanisms of life when we analyze the fats and we look at exactly what they’re made of or like oh those fats don’t come from plants they don’t come from animals they come from bacteria which means we’ve got a problem with bacteria in the gut so if you’re eating sugar you’re eating these CAFO meats you’re going to be causing that problem that said if you want to have adequate testosterone production it’s really helpful to have some of these animal fats in your diet to have healthy membranes because the bottom line is we actually aren’t made out of plants like if you look around we are made out of animals because we are animals we have a very long history of eating animals and I’ve looked a lot at monoculture habitat destruction and if you’ve ever seen what a field of soybeans does to all of the animals that are killed by tractors you go through there I think vegetarians eat soybeans last time I checked hey we’re all in agreement let’s not do that right ok so but here’s the deal whatever plants you’re growing keep in mind I’ve run an organic farm with very high productivity per acre guess what plants eat they dead animals they eat poop that’s what it does so what we’re doing to feed these these vegan diets out there is we’re actually mining minerals we’re about to run out in 40 years the stuff we use to make fertilizer or maybe we get some from natural gas and put it back in but we’re trashing the soil to make what most vegans eat because there aren’t that many organic vegans talk about yeah I know it’s kind of funny when science comes in so what what happens here is literally bunnies cute little bunnies turtles my whole family’s tractors just come through and just take out their whole thing you know you got to think about that if you’re gonna eat a big grain bowl for lunch because the net deaths per calories if I eat one grass-fed cow per year is 0.7 deaths per year unless the cows stepped on a frog in the front pasture of my farm so what’s going on here is that if you want to take care of the soil you should have animals shitting on the soil that’s how it works there’s an environmental argument and there’s there’s the the study that shows it’s what’s going on your bacteria and also the fact that people feel better on moderate protein one thing that’s terribly missing from vegan diets is collagen which is the connective tissue that makes your joints one of the things that makes my joints not hurt anymore even though I thought your joints were supposed to always hurt is that your joints are made of collagen and I eat collagen again and this comes from animals there is no plant-based collagen so there’s a great argument for this I’ll also tell you there’s a great argument for eating a lot less grass-fed meat you don’t need to have a huge stake the whole paleo thing where it’s all like carnivore based is not a good way to live a long time it’s a good way to get cancer but moderate amounts but particularly of animal fat and some animal protein will make you feel better they’ll give you more energy they’ll make you look younger they make you look longer and they feed the plants the crap they need so we can stop destroying large swaths of our environment and our soil to feed cows that eat the wrong stuff or to eat feed people who eat the wrong stuff like grains okay let’s give Kip a chance to respond those hilarious so science with grass-fed beef again again it’s about land use you cannot have any other animals share this land with you yes it is true and and a farm ok ok they actually disagree how many acres are in your farm ok so 32 acres how many sheep I’m gonna have faker okay so we lots of grass which is land use so if we were to take his 32 acres and I was gonna go veganic farming which how cowspiracy ends I would blow away the production with veganic composting and production not only by 10 but PI divided by 32 if you have only three sheep not so much I’d grow around 10 times probably five to ten times more food than you would because we just had a meme on this on our Cal spear so we do it all the time you have a funnel of food a cow for example it’s around thirty five fifty hundred pounds depending on where it is of how much food it eats day after day after day eats drinks twenty five gallons of water every single day add that up offer over eighteen
months and guess what you get you funnel down funnel down you funnel down you get some that goes back in the soil at the end of the day of the animal flesh you get is around 250 300 pounds out of tens of thousands and thousands of food so what it is it’s called inefficiency and then the other question too is you know how again how efficient can you be and the was that the last part there’s a one other part about that but so the coal is the the I guess the the the goal is to be as efficient we can with not of all’s have 35 acres if you want to break it down to five acres say we’re all given five acres you try putting one sheep on that and I’ll and I’ll put mine I’ll leave the Sheep out and see who grows more not even a remote comparison you know what I don’t have to kill the Sheep can i film sometime you killing the sheep with your own bare hands can i film that you can actually fill me taking it down on a bandsaw because I actually know how to do that that as long as you take a bite when we’re done he won’t make cameo though all right quick just again we’ve got a bounce back quick collagen is important and this is obscure but it’s also you guys are young healthy you want great skin great hair great nails taking bites and all this stuff you know you don’t need to eat animal collagen because our human body makes College and it’s a miracle you need however this is an interesting historical point but it’s relevant today there are only four species on the planet don’t make collagen guinea pigs bats gorillas and humans or the only four mammals on the planet my dog and my cat make collagen humans can’t we lost an enzyme in our liver we’re required and Linus Pauling double Nobel Prize winner taught this in his biochemistry research we have to eat a ton of vitamin C tada fruits and vegetables fruits and vegetables we needed a ton of lysine which comes from legumes primarily and almonds is some degree if you’re a plant-based theater and you eat properly as the rainbow whole food close to nature minimally processed diet you make all the collagen you need there’s actually a very cool sign where your earlobe gets a crease and it shows your collagen weak and collagen efficient it’s a marker of heart disease it’s less common amongst those that eat tons of plants so you can make collagen you don’t have to eat animal collagen you don’t have to drink bone broth you need to eat healthy to maintain it I I will say I’m rather proud of this because again you guys are growing up in a world that’s gonna be congested and dirtier and more polluted and more at all I can calculate it online than my 40 years of being a plant eater I’ve saved 15,000 animals and 16 million gallons of water so when I have my eulogy told which I hope by that time will be 45,000 animals and 60,000 gallons of water that you know each of us have you know the story about throwing a starfish back you know we can make one little difference in the world and you know being sensitive to your carbon footprint in every way in your car and your bike and your walking but in your food which is the biggest segment of your carbon emission as a human on the planet you know can it can be just one personal vote for sensitivity humanity and for doing good and if we spread that word which Google can do probably is better than anybody out there you know we can make a difference because air pollution is choking your guys health off just you know you just had a fire up north and you firsthand but these things are important yeah okay I want to move on we can follow up with you slaughtering a lamb for four kids but we focus up until now on kind of animal protein fats carbs sugar sodium I kind of want to just do a little rapid fire and hear what they’re good for and why you might think they’re bad either in excess or just generically [Music] follow up with your version of war but it starts okay so fats certain kinds of fats are great for building cell membranes many other kinds of fats are good for making energy because they have more electrons in them than sugar or carbohydrates and they you want high octane fuel in the body and other fats are good for causing inflammation which is a problem so different fats different things sugar generally you don’t eat a lot of sugar particularly fructose it’s just not good for you and we have abundant evidence that messes up your gut biome which also then increases your risk of heart disease your risk of cancer and your risk of every other degenerative disease ever and it’ll make you get hype okay bitchy it’s just bad news the next one after that was sodium it turns out that you’re probably not getting enough salt in your diet right now the more stressed you are the more salt you need the current recommendations from the government around salt intake are actually so low that they raise heart attack risk to an enzyme called renin the Russian space program just figured out some amazing things like if you’d a high-salt diet you can eat 25% more calories without gaining weight not that you necessarily want to do that but I’ll tell you that if you’re stressed you’re not getting enough sleep you’re traveling a lot you’re staying up late you’re getting bad light in your eyes all the stuff that increases biological stress you’re in a bad relationship eat more salt if your body wants you to but make it sea salt that has balance minerals in it versus industrial salt that has a loom in a minute because you really don’t want to limit them carbs and sugar carbs and sugar in my vision I just say sugar but carbs and sorry carbs in general I am NOT an anti carb person I’m an anti sugar person paying the right kinds of carbs that aren’t wrapped in mother nature’s defense system is a useful thing to do that’s why I’ll tell you white rice is better than brown rice people like say brown rice but fiber and they forget the eighty times more arsenic that’s in brown rice versus white rice the covering on grains triggers all sorts of immune system problems and people in fact wheat has 26 different compounds you can be allergic to that are not gluten and we can test for those today so these tend to trigger problems and people can you survive a famine on grain yes will you live the highest performance best feeling life where you give the most back to the world you have to give if you eat a lot of whole grains I don’t believe so Kip dr. Khan sugar small medium amounts but we’ve gone crazy with sugar and weed too much and of course we should always distinguish we’re talking sugar and fruit go for it 500,000 people just studied out of China the first author name do more sugar you eat the lower your chance of developing type 2 diabetes if it’s in fruit and if you have two type diabetes eat sugar in fruit you live longer that’s totally different than coca-cola Pepsi Mountain Dew and AMP so enjoy the sweet of nature but don’t add in the amazing amounts of added sugar refined sugar of all types give me another carb we have to be specific talking to refined carbs as you’re gonna find in pastries one of the worst foods you can eat in your life or pastries that’s been known since the fifties sixties seventies eighties perfect bomb of refined flour refined sugar added usually processed poor quality non-organic oils don’t eat donuts the number one food you see at a doctor’s office typically don’t eat that you know process pastries don’t eat you know Ding Dongs and hohos and all the rest yeah we’re talking carbs like a bean carbs like a squash carbs like a piece of lettuce which are the whole food is a combination of fat carbs and protein to some extent go for it in my world and then give me another one sodium sodium if you’re a tribesman in South America called the yanomamö you eat a few hundred milligrams of sodium a day the current recommendations to our 1500 to 2000 there’s no your average blood pressures around 100 I the number one killer in the world is hypertension number one killer in the world Karan Singh called the global burden of disease studies so I’m still on because again it’s everything in excess Americans are eating too much of everything too much refined sugar too much refined flour too much refined salt too many refined and poor quality fats I’m fine with the whole food fats I agree there you know there’s populations that eat high a percentage of fats and are healthy there’s populations like Okinawa and this tribe in the Bolivian it’s called the Chi Minh 80 very little fat and they’re healthy but don’t eat the refined crap so I’m more towards a low salt diet recognizing this number one killer and there was one more are we done no we’re done okay good the only thing odd to that just again kind of personal experimentation of when I used to do marathons being vegetarian I was hardcore cheese holic and I really thought protein because I xyn and the eggs and cheese and then just with what the health doesn’t be part more of more of the story arc with me I was the first time I did a full marathon being vegan and then I purposely never owned a bike or swam a lap in my life and I wanted to and I do train for an Ironman within 90 days and by doing nothing different other than that’s where this brings in of carb I did carb overloading or carb loading and then getting rid of all those inflammatory things like like dairy especially and eggs and my protein I increased my training half the time I bettered my marathon by 23 minutes and then I did the Ironman I’ve never done this within 90 days and that was mainly a lot from carbs as US my experience with the carb says maybe not all the times I don’t do that now but is it I think there’s a time a place not only like who you are but what are you doing at this time are you trying to build muscle you trying to already long-distance ultra runner like a rich role you know most of the ultra endurance runners they’re mostly vegan if not a hundred
percent they’re getting more more more even the NBA the NBA cause so many players have gone vegan this month it’s just something I know so I want to give you guys a chance to kind of disintermediate yourselves meaning that you guys you know believe certain things and you guys all have platforms and and and people believe you when you speak but but I’d love to get kind of your your process and your sources we hear a lot of terms like peer-reviewed like meta studies where should we look you mentioned PubMed how should we look at these things how do we look at them for ourselves how can you empower us well we’re here in Google and we went through this long period of time where you had to go to a guy in a white lab coat or Reader’s Digest right and so we really didn’t have the ability to do this you guys remember microfiche readers like like when I was in seventh grade we had to go look up like these incredibly stupid ways of finding stuff so everything was hidden and you could never find a million other people doing what you do to find some of the works and we’ve solved that problem over the last 20 years and Google’s been one of the biggest companies to do that so there’s two places to go one is you can look at PubMed you can find almost any academic research ever about the specific thing that you’re looking for and the second thing to do is find other people who are doing something similar or trying to solve the problem you want to solve biohacking is the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so if you have full control of your own biology so if your job is to get swole okay you’re gonna talk to people who are doing that and if your job is to live past 180 you’re gonna talk to people who are doing that but you can find these communities and then you find these amazing things that should not be possible if the dogma is is true and that’s what happened to me I did the vegan thing I did the excessive exercise thing and it didn’t work and I found wow there’s all these anti-aging people who meet ten minutes from Google and have for 25 years I’m chairman of this group now they’re looking at these things they’re studying will work and yes we talked with vegans we talked with non vegans we bring them in for lectures but the bottom line is community is what’s going to help you the most because the community has the power to go out and do the searching for you and to bring up interesting things how can this paper exist if we all believe this I’m going to run an experiment and if you find that your life was radically different after doing that there is truth in that because the number one part of the scientific method is observation and then you can form a hypothesis and then you can test it you have a community you can test it now that’s never existed before and that is the most amazing thing right now I would say you go to PubMed you know PU bmed com some of you may have been this amine at the National Library medicine 26 million medical articles different than a blog different than a newspaper but a tremendous range of quality a tremendous you know negative studies often don’t get published you do a study that grass-fed beef does or doesn’t do something and it’s negative you’re unlikely to publish it and may damage your chances of getting further grants there are you know egg board dairy board meat board there is a green board a broccoli board I mean they don’t have any money but you do need to read the first place I go usually is the end of the article where is the funding from and that’s true at Harvard school public health and that’s true overseas and sometimes it’s not disclosed and with all that muck that’s where you go nonetheless we have a hundred and ten years of Studies on nutrition and atherosclerosis somewhere amongst that we can come to that core you know eat minimally processed mainly close to the ground and largely plants as a rallying point that you know it’s likely to favor your health and prevent disease and yes there’s inconsistencies and there’s disappointments when we learned that three guys at Harvard in the 1960s took some money to favor the idea that sugar was bad for your health and not disclose it but that’s three researchers in 50 years and also we’re doing ok with medical science there’s people that really care and really you know are ethical not everybody’s in a bad place I trust the science I really do Oh sad what’s happening especially after the film comes out you know people all these articles that come out eventually we’re gonna get ready to do one specifically their goes over each point because they’re very easy to refute the the rebuttals and a lot of them is well I was just on doctors and they’re all attacking us and they’re literally quoting studies for the egg and Street that’s put out by the egg industry and this happens time and time again where they have these these studies that they’re refuting like what about this what about this and it’s like did you actually see the film this is a huge part of the film follow the money follow who it went to don’t look at things at face value service level you have to go deeper deeper deeper deeper and that’s what the the film did and I think it was kind of sidetracked but um the you know Cal spear see just a few years ago a lot of the facts were refuted then and I learned a lot from that just in two three years from now are now everything pretty much an entire film is common knowledge for the most part and same with what the health and looking back in history 10 20 30 years from now there’s one way as you can go and it’s one way is that the plant-based diet not only for again for the planet for your health mind body and spirit is the way to go and to find to work the search through these murky studies and find the ones that are truly independent and again I guess rather than the I guess brought up again rather than like biohacking really bio harmonizing yourself with the planet not to have everything come towards you and fix me myself how about how can i integrate myself with the entire planet so I’m at one with it and so I feel liberated because I’m a much bigger self than just my own self and I think that’s the goal to with seven billion people and how do we all fit in what can I do to become part of the greater whole of us I want to get questions from the audience yeah does anybody have any questions don’t be shy what are your thoughts on the supposed estrogenic effects of soy I personally think that I don’t personally think the science says if you eat organic soy in place of meat you favor the chance you won’t develop breast cancer for women and if you’ve had breast cancer you won’t develop recurrence of breast cancer because there’s natural estrogen and the very very weak activity that’s in plant based estrogen like the soy bean and only organic because thank you Monsanto we’ve you know largely destroyed that crop in terms of quality but it’s out there your soy milk I noticed in your coffee shops our Pacific brand organic soy it’s you know it’s a good choice but you know to so to replace ace again cave where they’re administering extra hormones get that chicken to go fast that gotta grow fast make more money you’re better off by far eating soy than that type of food you get into higher quality we can you know there’s no head-to-head studies so he’s a very safe food if you don’t have a food allergy or food intolerance I wouldn’t eat it three meals a day it can have some it’s called goitrogenic thyroid interacting effects but you don’t see that in natural populations in Japan I mean it’s a condiment to your stir-fry and the rest of your diet this is the one thing of you know we wanted make our film 90 minutes and that was the one the last thing we cut out I was like oh god if we some day we’ll do a director’s cut because that was that was a huge marketing essentially again by theory not 100% it was well we do know is put out by the Weston Price and this big scare right once started soy milk started taking off and cow cow milk started going down all of a sudden this thing came out soy’s bad because of ironically estrogen what is what is asked what is in cow’s milk its growth horn its growth hormone fluid whether it’s organic or not it’s supposed to make a small calf grow and do a big thousand-pound cow as fast as it possibly can so there it’s so ironic because they’re saying it’s about the estrogen part it’s phytoestrogen when the Caril concern is the estrogen in the growth hormones from cows milking and cheese and dairy that’s the one they have to be worried about and that was what 2530 years ago I’ve been vegan ten years for four years I did not eat soy because of that and then I found out is put out by the Weston Price and so I thank God and it’s very true if you do eat soy organic that is one thing because it is heavily pesticide but soy is incredibly good for you and there’s study after study after study on that and I’m bummed we put that out because I was a big thing my wife is uh is a medical doctor from the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm when I met her she drank soy milk she was infertile my very first book was how to turn fertility back on with 1,300 studies in it when we took her off soy milk she was able to gain weight that she’d been unable to gain her entire adult life drinking soy milk soy contains phytic acid which inhibits your ability to absorb minerals from the other vegetable you might eat so if you want to eat soy you should pair it with a nice piece of grass-fed steak you won’t get colon cancer because we know phytates resist the development of colon cancers you pick your choice the point there also about soy aside from the estrogenic effects which are present and the estrogen that’s in soy doesn’t fit in your estrogen receptors properly so it basically clogs them up so your own natural
estrogen activities don’t work you can use soy for instance at certain times of the month to help with PMS symptoms because it has an effect but to take it sort of all willy-nilly I am highly skeptical of that being a good choice the other problem is that fermented soy is the second highest histamine food after fermented fish sauce when histamine is actually a neurotransmitter it also causes allergies and things like that so there are lots of people who go on the bulletproof diet I’m like hey maybe you should stop eating even the gluten free soy sauce for a little while and see what happens and what happens is I don’t get hives anymore so if you get if you eat soy and you get some brain fog later in the day you get profoundly tired it may not be estrogen it may be one of the other many problems with soy aside from the environmental destruction caused by mowing down beautiful fields and forests to plant soybeans to feed people low-quality crap natto is actually the one the one form of soy that I do recommend we got one question in the back I can repeat the question what was the first part of the question social situations where he was influenced by your filming went vegan you may be here at the dinner table and oh–that’s meat-eaters yeah yeah vegan as a part it was you know no health it was a health was the last part what’s interesting I used to never go to barbecues especially first years old when I was vegan because everybody does these very immature things kind of like we’ve heard where you would say oh if you’re not going to eat animals I need two times animals or you know the hole the holes the whole soy thing and this and that and then especially with the animals I need three times as many animals every time it’s so it’s such a thing if you tell someone and I eat sugar that’s like wow you know it’s the interesting stuff if you tell someone and not eat animals because of certain things it triggers someone back and these immature things around when they’re 8 to 12 years old and that is when we become jaded to that animal is another living being of exactly that you had never ended million years if you’re 12 years old look at cow look at sheep in the eye and slit its throat so it’s not B it’s beyond it’s a whole nother level of betrayal not only within yourself but you’re saying WOW are you saying I’m not in line with who I have truly morally am and that’s a deep question not only for yourself are you saying my parents are bad because they fed me this way or my culture is bad so it’s a very deep thing where that’s why it’s such a sensitive topic because at the core level human beings are compassionate loving beings and that’s why at the core whether we can we can 5% 10% at the core of who we are inside were frugivores we’re meant to love other beings and all of the planets nuts on another another life forms and that’s a big reason why we’re in the situation where we are because we’ve got away from that so the only thing I say as people is the reason why I made these films is just hey watch this funny film called cowspiracy or this comedy called what the health and you know I mean that’s all I can do is try to educate because it is tart because it’s such a deep deep lying seated concert contradictory with them themselves there’s something that happens anytime you go on a new diet and this happened when I was raw vegan happened when I discovered like Atkins in the early 90s in the car I like lost half this fat another half won’t budge on that diet and things like that you go through this like oh my god I have the solution and I feel a moral obligation to tell everyone but the real moral obligation you have whether you’re like a radical keto diet or like that’s that’s the latest like you know carb shaming or you know the the vegan side of things where like okay this this is it like this is what’s working for me right now the best thing you can do no matter what your diet is and you just discovered it is shut up and eat and when you do that the people who are open to learning will ask you why you’re doing what you’re doing and you’ll have the best conversations of your life and if instead you’re like I’m gonna tell you why I’m doing what I’m doing people like could you you know STFU like like like we’re not here for that we want to do what we’re gonna do so my path over the last 20 years of discovering this stuff has been to learn that look when I’m eating I don’t judge other people for what they eat like I’m assuming they’re doing it if they want to know why I’m doing what I’m doing I’ll tell them but I never offer it first given that I’m well know now that usually asked but even you know back when I was doing what I was doing like why you’re working at a computer security company like why did you carry a stick of butter to lunch with you right okay now it’s it’s an opening right and so if you just politely order the the plant-based diet that you want to order and you eat it without emotion and without judgment you’ll find that you’ll have the best conversations and you’ll probably swing the people who are your target the ones who who want who are open versus angering the ones who are not open and are not really not your target and I agree a hundred percent that was actually with now I actually go to bar because I don’t say anything I used to say something the first company was so passionate and now I don’t say anything and you just it kind of comes to you or they’ll ask something exactly so again whether whatever you do and just kind of like I think lead by example and really you know be present but don’t say niang’s and I purposely go to barbecues and just my presence there like bringing a veggie burger the new beyond beyond burger having that there then you’re like you know it’s a little minimal form of passive activism and I don’t say anything come to me but it’s very true very true because it does not work I tried for two years like I go to buy because I don’t need the barbecue I’m like well it’s probably fed a bunch of crap like it’s not good quality meat and you shouldn’t burn your meat on open fire I can show you all the science for that so it’s like I’ll have the salad and when I go out to eat I’d go to Joel’s restaurant I’ll go to a vegan restaurant because you’re going to get less crap as long as you throw away the tofu and stuff at a vegan restaurant then you are at the typical American you know feedlot restaurant and and so but just by making those choices and then saying I’m gonna do this not that and you can say it’s about me it’s about what works for my biology and it’s ok you can eat whatever you want to eat but we can just have a really like like productive dialogue versus like shaming I think on that it’s two more questions although that was very nice olive branch yes let me just repeat the question for the listeners out there viewers out there so it’s basically you’re in a group situation you’re going to a restaurant maybe they ask you about dietary restrictions maybe they don’t you want to kind of be easy and eat with them how do you do that while adhering to the healthiest that possible yeah dr. kanta there’s quickly there’s an amazing websites been around 20 years happy cow net if you’re looking for that healthy restaurant whether you’re in Moscow st. Petersburg Istanbul or Mountain View so that’s a great resource when you’re out of town happy cow to net it’s as far as they know non-commercial maybe we’ll list every whole food a list every you know a similar market and restaurant to is I go right I go to the if I’m an Italian restaurant the contour knee the you know the side dishes I put together spinach with garlic with you know a braised grilled cauliflower whatever it is that’s a nice safe place to go and ask questions I mean if you know food allergies are everywhere so it’s not at all odd daven the chef’s come out of the kitchen I do own a large restaurant in Detroit besides being a cardiologist I mean that should be encouraged because not allergies life threatening so you know get the food you want out of a restaurant and if you got to tell your friends I’m doing the Beyonce diet or doing the MBA diet or you know I’ve developed whatever allergy I mean allergies everybody respects nowadays if you don’t want to go into the whole conversation I always just go in and I say I want a plate covered in vegetables and I go actually guys I mean covered in vegetables that doesn’t mean three pieces of asparagus right and and then the like really like no I mean that and then I’ll look on the menu if there’s a wild caught fish I’ll do it and yes I’m concerned about overfishing I’m also concerned about eating and I’m hoping that we’ll do some more work on that but in the meantime if you just get the plate of vegetables here’s the trick they always put canola oil in almost every restaurant and they tell you it’s olive oil because they cut the olive oil with canola oil you tell them it has to be 100% olive oil because if I get canola oil I have seizures right there on the floor and then you always get the real oil true yeah and for me I just say could you cook it in butter you won’t have a seizure but if you say that I’m very careful not to otherwise most most well-meaning waiters and waitresses will give you bad fats because they don’t know it and oftentimes the cook doesn’t even know until they turn the big jug of industrial oil around to go yeah it is 25 per second all I didn’t know so just avoiding bad fats is critically important if you want to feel good but literally you can always say a plate of vegetables and that’s enough right I bring my own fat to pour on the vegetables to get enough fat to feel good but maybe you do that maybe you don’t that’s the trick only vegetables and if they’re feeding industrial meat I’m right with these guys don’t need industrial meat like it will take away years from
your life and it’s bad for the planet and that’s said if you can get a little bit of good quality protein do it if not get some protein once a day that’s really high quality protein which probably didn’t come from vegetables anybody else issues like Kali can harmonize with life and how we can listen to signs question is other verified medical sources outside of just PubMed dr. Carr yeah it brings up a little bit of a sense of issue can a doctor who chooses a plant died at a vegan diet not be objective and I’ve already declared it when I see the meat will reverse my patients heart blockage I will be obligated to recommend meat they’re just that science doesn’t exist the only diet for atherosclerosis reversal our plant diets naturally low in added fats and oils and until that changes that’s what I recommend so there is a website nutritionfacts.org I don’t think that would be received well in the in the ketogenic diet and some other movements but if you’re if you watch what the health and you’re looking for some more information yes that’s always a recommendation where else would you go if you want some guys because I really do like dr. Gregers work because the medical references are there and if you can search for others there usually aren’t others usually the ones that exist I don’t think he’s got a bias it’s just the way the literature goes PCRM dorg physician committee responsiveness and there’s a lot of what’s a so if you get into the plant-based movement I mean there’s all kinds of websites but they’re basing that website usually on science that’s in PubMed highly highly recommend nutritionfacts.org for something simple it’s a video it’s always very fast always sourced very well nutritionfacts.org you can type in anything anything and it’ll come out a very succinct by to three-minute way source or sourced it’s a great great resource cool thank you guys so much for coming really appreciate it [Applause] you